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What it Actually Takes to Turn an Office Building Into Apartments

It could solve two problems at once. It’s also really hard.

Buildings in the Manhattan skyline shrouded in smoke from Canada wildfires at sunrise in Jersey City, New Jersey, US, on Wednesday, June 7, 2023. New York was the most polluted major city in the world on Tuesday night, as smoke from Canadian wildfires blanketed the city in haze, according to the IQAir website.Photographer: Yuki Iwamura/Bloomberg
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Big cities like New York have two real estate problems. Housing is scarce and office buildings are empty (or at least under-utilized.) So there would seem to be an obvious solution: turn the offices into homes. And indeed there has been a lot of talk lately about "office-to-resi" conversions. But it's very hard, for a wide variety of reasons. Zoning, financing, and then, of course, the operational aspects of the construction all need to be in place. So what does it take? On this episode, we speak with Joey Chilelli, managing director at the Vanbarton Group, a firm that's been involved with these projects for a decade and long before the pandemic upended both real estate markets. We discuss the challenges involved in actually pulling off these complex projects. This transcript has been lightly edited for clarity.