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00:00-- I DO NOT KNOW IF IT IS CRITICS, BUT HE IS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY. WHAT DOES A TRAVEL BAN DO ON ANIMAL SPIRITS IN THE U.S.? IAN: I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE WAY PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THE U.S. MARKET. YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF CEO'S, PARTICULARLY IN THE TECH COMMUNITY, THAT HAVE BEEN OUTSPOKEN IN POSING IT, BUT IT IS MUCH MORE FUNDAMENTAL ABOUT WHATEVER -- ABOUT WHAT A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND PRESIDENT CAN DO TO MAKE THE U.S. ATTRACTIVE ON TAXES AND ON INFRASTRUCTURE BUILDS AND THE REST. MUCH MORE IS THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE IMPACT OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES ON AMERICA'S RELATIONSHIPS GLOBALLY. FRANCINE: SO WHAT DID YOU LEARN? DID YOU LEARN ABOUT THE WAY THAT DONALD TRUMP WILL GOVERN AT THE WHITE HOUSE, OR DID YOU LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFENSES IN THE WAY THAT THE AMERICAN RULE OF LAW WORKS? IAN: I THINK WE HAVE LEARNED MORE ABOUT THE WAY HE IS GOING TO GOVERN. THIS ENTIRE FAN WAS PUT -- THIS ENTIRE BAN WAS PUT IN PLACE WITH A SMALL NUMBER OF ADVISORS. THE HEAD OF HOMELAND SECURITY WAS NOT AWARE OF THE DETAILS UNTIL IT WAS ROLLED OUT TO THE PUBLIC. IMPLEMENTATION HAS BEEN SPOTTY. IT HAS BEEN DIFFERENTIATED IN DIFFERENT CITIES. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE. THAT HAS BEEN TRUE AROUND GREEN CARDHOLDERS WHO ARE OR ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE VAN. IT HAS ALSO BEEN -- WHO ARE OR ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE BAN. THE JUDGES HAVE PUT A STAY ON THE ORDER, AND THE HOMELAND SECURITY RESPONSE HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST UNUSUAL I HAVE EVER READ. THE QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, AS YOU HAVE THE CABINET FILLED OUT, ARE THEY GOING TO PLAY A TRADITIONAL ROLE AS ONE WOULD EXPECT, OR WILL THIS BE PRIMARILY ON FOREIGN-POLICY ISSUES DRIVEN BY A SMALLER GROUP WHO DO NOT HAVE FOREIGN-POLICY EXPERIENCE? THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM FOR OBAMA WHEN HE FIRST CAME IN, WITH A VERY STRONG CABINET. BUT PEOPLE AROUND HIM, LIKE VALERIE JARRETT, DID NOT TRUST THE ESTABLISHMENT AND FREQUENTLY MAKE MISTAKES -- INTRICATELY MADE MISTAKES. OBAMA WAS AT LEAST ANALYTIC, SO HE WANTED TO EDUCATE HIMSELF. IN THE CASE OF TRUMP, YOU HAVE THE GROUP AROUND HIM THAT HAS NO EXPERIENCE, BUT TRUMP HIS HEALTH -- BUT TRUMP HIMSELF HAS NO BACKGROUND IN WITH THESE POLICIES ARE GOING TO BE. FRANCINE: THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL -- STEPHEN BANNON. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IAN: THE ROLE IS NOT MEANT TO BE PURELY ABOUT INFORMALLY ADVISING TRUMP AS A CONDUIT VIS A VIS THE SECRETARY OF STATE, LIKE CONDOLEEZZA RICE WAS DOING WHEN SHE WAS THERE FOR THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, BUT FORMULATING AND DRIVING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION VIEW ON THE WORLD. IN THAT REGARD, IT IS EXTREMELY UNORTHODOX TO HAVE BEEN IN IN THAT -- TO HAVE STEPHEN BANNON IN THAT POSITION. IT IS NOT SURPRISING IN THE CONTEXT OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. TRUMP'S PROMISES AND GRANDIOSITY AND OUTSIDE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM -- WE ARE SEEING THAT ON VIRTUALLY EVERY ISSUE AROUND GOVERNANCE. HE INTENDS TO ACTUALLY GOVERN THIS WAY. THE MOST IMPORTANT IMPLICATION OF VAN AND BEING IN THAT ROLE IS THAT THE UNITED STATES IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE PROACTIVE IN SUPPORTING NATIONALISM ACROSS CONTINENTAL EUROPE. THIS WILL MATTER FOR THE FRENCH ELECTIONS. TOM: HELP ME WITH WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST 12 HOURS. THIS IS THE WHITE HOUSE GOV SITE. THEY HAVE DROPPED THE JUDICIAL BRANCH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE OF THIS, BUT THEY ELIMINATED THE JUDICIAL BRANCH. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT AMERICANS SHOULD EXPECT FROM THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE DESIGNATE IN THE NEXT 48 HOURS. THEY HAVE TO WALK IN THE OFFICE AS THE ADULTS IN THE ROOM. HOW SHOULD THEY RESPOND? IAN: I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT AS EVERYONE ELSE DOES. THEY ARE ADULTS, AND I AM CERTAIN THAT IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENED TO, AND IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEIR PROMISES ARE ROLLING THEM OVER, THEY ARE GOING TO LEAVE. THAT IS TRUE FOR THE VALUES OF MOST OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE ARE WELL AWARE OF IN POLICY. THEY WILL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH THEY SHOULD SAY PUBLICLY AND HOW MUCH THEY SHOULD SAY PRIVATELY. WE ARE GOING TO FIND OUT VERY QUICKLY, AS TILLERSON AND MATTIS COME INTO THEIR RULES. IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENED TO, THERE WILL BE LEAKS ALL OVER THE PLACE AMONG THEIR ADVISORS. YOU WILL SEE THAT THIS IS A VERY DYSFUNCTIONAL CABINET. OR WE WILL SEE SOME SERIOUS

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