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00:00GIVE US A SENSE OF HOW THE PANDEMIC IS CHANGING THE FACE OF INFRASTRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY IN THE POST-PANDEMIC WORLD. MOSHE: WE HAVE LEARNED THAT LIVING WITH NATURE DURING THE PANDEMIC, WE NEED TO LIVE WITH NATURE, WE CANNOT BE SEALED OFF FROM NATURE. PEOPLE LIVING IN LUXURY APARTMENTS IN MANY CITIES, THEY DON ' T HAVE OUTDOOR SPACES, CANNOT GO INTO GARDENS. WE HAVE LEARNED OUR DEPENDENCY OF NATURE ON A WEIGHT THAT I DO NOT THINK PEOPLE WERE AWARE OF BEFORE. I THINK THAT IS TRUE OF THE WORKSPACE AS WELL. HASLINDA: WE NEED TO PROVE IT. OUR GOVERNMENTS BUT -- PIVOTING FAST ENOUGH? WHERE ARE THE WINNERS AND LOSERS? MOSHE: THERE ARE GOOD INTENTIONS. I THINK THE INFRASTRUCTURE LEGISLATION IS A MAJOR MOVE. HOWEVER, WITH IT COMES A REFORM TO THE SYSTEM THAT WILL ALLOW THAT MONEY TO BE SHARED INTELLIGENTLY WITH RESULTS. I BELIEVE THAT THAT THE UNITED STATES -- STATES HAS MANY BLOCKS FOR THOSE FUNDS TO WORK WELL. THE FUTURE OF CITIES IS ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, REFORMING THE WAY WE MOVE IN CITIES, MOBILITY, ALSO ENABLING US TO PERFORM SOME OF THOSE DENSITIES THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH. TRANSPORTATION, THE QUESTION OF HOW DO WE BEGIN REPLACING CARS FOR ON-DEMAND VEHICLES, ELECTRIC VEHICLES, SELF DRIVING VEHICLES? RAPID TRAINS BETWEEN CITIES, THE SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER. RIGHT NOW, IF THERE IS NO REFORM, WE WILL NOT GET RESULTS. HASLINDA: TALKING ABOUT THE U.S., WE HAVE THAT $2 TRILLION INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN BY THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. SOME SAY WE WILL NOT SEE THOSE MEGAPROJECTS WE ARE EXPECTING TO SEE. WHY NOT AND WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE THE PRESIDENT? > > WE NEED TO REFORM THREE AREAS. THE FIRST IS THE APPROVAL -- DEVELOPMENTAL PLANS AND THEIR APPROVAL. MEANS YOU NEED TO SET UP CENTRALIZED AUTHORITY SAID ABOUT THE STATE, THE FEDS AND THE CITIES INTEGRATED INTO SIGNAL ORGANIZATIONS. THE BOTTLE WOULD BE THE TENNESSEE VALLEY WHO TURNED A NEW DEAL THAT THE POWERS OF SUCH AN AUTHORITY WOULD BE TO BE ABLE TO APPROPRIATE LAND, TO LISTEN TO COMMUNITIES AND BE ABLE TO OVERRIDE COMMUNITIES IF THEY ARE PROPERLY COMPENSATED. ANOTHER COULD BE THE DUTCH SYSTEM OF THE FLOODED MANAGEMENT OF THE COUNTRY THAT THE UNITED STATES SHOULD LOOK UP. IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION, WHEN HAVE YOU LAST SEEN YOUR PROJECT THAT IS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, THREE SHIFTS A DAY THAT THE ORGANIZATION OF LABOR AND CONSTRUCTION NEEDS REORGANIZATION TO DO SO. FINALLY, THERE IS THIS ARM THAT NEEDS TO RECRUIT THE BEST TALENT. A FEW SET UP A SYSTEM WHICH WILL ATTRACT THIS TALENT. THE MODEL TO ME IS A VACCINE DEVELOPING PROGRAM. THE GOVERNMENT FUNDED THE RESEARCH OF THE EFFORT NEEDED AND TOOK THE RISK OUT AND REWARDED THE MOST SUCCESSFUL SUBMITS. -- MOST SUCCESSFUL PARTICIPANTS. RISHAAD: WHAT HAS TO BE DONE? MOSHE: I THINK TRANSPORTATION IS TOP PRIORITY. PROVIDING INTERNET SERVICE IS A PRIORITY. ALL OF THESE. WHAT THAT UNITED STATES IS WE GUESS IS IN THE LINKING OF RAPID TRADES WHICH SHOULD NOT EXIST IN THE UNITED STATES TOGETHER WITH AN AIRPORT SYSTEM WHICH WILL BE SYNCHRONIZED WITH STOPS AT OUR PORTS VERY COMMON IN EUROPE. ALL THAT SHOULD ALSO BE RELATED TO THE VEHICULAR SYSTEM OF CITY STATES TO BE CLOSELY RELATED TO A LARGER CLASS TRANSIT SYSTEM. A LOT OF GREAT PLANNING. CITY PLANNING, URBAN DESIGN. THE MARKET DOES NOT ALWAYS KNOW BEST, IF I CAN SAY SO ON BLOOMBERG. [LAUGHTER] RISHAAD: TELL ME ABOUT THE BEST WAY FORWARD. PRIVATE, PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS, IS THAT THE WEEK OF THE FINDING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD AND YOU THINK THERE IS ENOUGH OF THAT OR A HOLE IN ONE OF THEIR PROGRAMS? MOSHE: I THINK IT IS THE WAY. THE GOVERNMENT HAS THE FUNDING. IS ABLE TO NOT ONLY FIND BUT SUPPORT SOME OF THE RISK. THE TALENT IS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. I THINK A COOPERATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN GOVERNMENT AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS THE KEY. I BELIEVE, FOR THAT REASON THAT THE VACCINE DEVELOPING PROGRAM WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL EXAMPLE OF GOVERNMENTS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, COOPERATION WHICH RESEARCH AND DEVELOP A -- DEVELOPMENTAL IDEALS WAS TAKEN IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO THE THE GOVERNMENT FUNDING THE PROGRAM AND RESEARCH. THAT THE INNOVATION AND ANONYMITY OF THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED IS AN EXCELLENT MODEL FOR DELIVERING THE INFRASTRUCTURE. HASLINDA: I MAY BE EXAGGERATING BUT THE PRODUCT SECTOR IS TERRIFIED OF THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE OF THE RISK. CONSTRUCTION ACCOUNTS OF 13% OF GLOBAL GDP. WHEN YOU LOOK AT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, A LOT DO NOT GET FINISHED. A LOT OF THEM TAKE 10-20 YEARS TO GET COMPLETED. WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? HOW DO YOU CONVINCE PRIVATE SECTOR CAPITAL TO COME IN? MOSHE: I AGREE WITH YOUR OBSERVATION. I LIVE IN BOSTON. I SEE THE BIG THING TAKE PLACE -- IS STARTED SMALL. PART OF IT IS TO BUILD FASTER. PART OF IT IS TO GET THE APPROVAL OF PLANS TO BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT, WHICH MEANS MORE CENTRALIZED AUTHORITY. THE UNITED STATES IS A DEMOCRACY. EVERYONE HAS A VOICE. IT IS PART OF THE SYSTEM AND YOU TO ACCEPT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU NEED TO CREATE AUTHORITIES OR MECHANISMS WHICH CAN EXPEDITE PLANNING APPROVAL. THAT IS WHAT SLOWS THINGS DOWN. SO CONSTRUCTION, THE INABILITY TO MOVE REALLY FAST IN THAT UNITED STATES, AS THEY DO IN OTHER PLACES. I ' M TALKING TO YOU IN SINGAPORE. WE DESIGNED AND BUILT THIS BUILDING IN FOUR YEARS. WE HAD THE CONSTRUCTION TAPES WORKING THREE SHIFTS A DAY, 7 DAYS A WEEK.

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