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Aug. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Full episode of "Bloomberg West." Guests: Michigan State University Professor Anil Jain; Hitcents Co-Founder Ed Mills; Centre for the Analysis of Social Media’s Louis Reynolds; Samasource Founder and CEO Leila Janah; Nieman Journalism Lab Director Joshua Benton; Reason Magazine Senior Editor Brian Doherty. (Source: Bloomberg)

? ? live from pier three in san live from pier three in san francisco, welcome to "bloomberg francisco, welcome to "bloomberg west" where we cover innovation, west" where we cover innovation, technology, and the future of technology, and the future of this miss.

This miss.

Kleiner perkins buyers have kleiner perkins buyers have invested in security startups.

Invested in security startups.

That did not stop the firm from that did not stop the firm from getting robbed in july.

Getting robbed in july.

Police in menlo park, california police in menlo park, california say they are investigating the say they are investigating the theft of six laptops, two theft of six laptops, two monitors, and a docking station.

Monitors, and a docking station.

The break-in might mark the the break-in might mark the latest case of intellectual latest case of intellectual theft.

Theft.

A man accused of running a $1.2 a man accused of running a $1.2 billion online market as the billion online market as the silk road -- known as the silk silk road -- known as the silk road faces charges of internet road faces charges of internet drug trafficking.

Drug trafficking.

He has been accused of operating he has been accused of operating the marketplace where customers the marketplace where customers use bitcoin where they can buy use bitcoin where they can buy heroin and fake passports.

Heroin and fake passports.

He was first charged in 2013. he was first charged in 2013. he faces charges including he faces charges including conspiracy to commit computer conspiracy to commit computer hacking and money laundering.

Hacking and money laundering.

Federal regulators are asking federal regulators are asking comcast to explain their comcast to explain their internet and content policies.

Internet and content policies.

In a letter made public today, in a letter made public today, the fcc asks comcast to provide the fcc asks comcast to provide information on a range of its information on a range of its business actresses from business actresses from programming agreements to data programming agreements to data caps on customers.

Caps on customers.

-- on a range of its this miss -- on a range of its this miss practices from programming practices from programming agreements to data caps on agreements to data caps on customers.

Customers.

Now, to the lead.

Now, to the lead.

The hunt is on for the islamic the hunt is on for the islamic extremist who brutally murdered extremist who brutally murdered american journalist james foley.

American journalist james foley.

The killer ensured of the task the killer ensured of the task would not be easy by cloaking would not be easy by cloaking himself in black.

Himself in black.

Officials in the u.s. and u.k. officials in the u.s. and u.k. are using modern technology are using modern technology along with some old-fashioned along with some old-fashioned police work to analyze the police work to analyze the british accented -- british accented -- here joined by a researcher able here joined by a researcher able to identify one of the boston to identify one of the boston marathon bombers using facial marathon bombers using facial recognition technology.

Recognition technology.

Also with us, peter cook.

Also with us, peter cook.

I know you have been diving i know you have been diving through the story.

Through the story.

What tools are available to what tools are available to researchers and how useful are researchers and how useful are they going to be?

They going to be?

I have been talking with i have been talking with former and current members of former and current members of the intelligence and law the intelligence and law enforcement communities as to enforcement communities as to what exactly they are looking what exactly they are looking for.

For.

They do have some clues out they do have some clues out there.

There.

There is a trail to follow.

There is a trail to follow.

They will be looking at they will be looking at everything from the shadows in everything from the shadows in the background to even the style the background to even the style of the cameraman because that of the cameraman because that could be a distinctive in and of could be a distinctive in and of itself.

Itself.

They will have technicians go they will have technicians go over the video itself, look for over the video itself, look for metadata.

Metadata.

Anything that might give some anything that might give some information on the video.

Information on the video.

It was shot in a panorama am a it was shot in a panorama am a very unusual.

Very unusual.

They had not seen that before.

They had not seen that before.

Shot in broad daylight.

Shot in broad daylight.

Open air, unusual because they open air, unusual because they were not in any fear that they were not in any fear that they would be hit by an airstrike.

Would be hit by an airstrike.

That is notable because it that is notable because it suggests that it wasn't syria.

Suggests that it wasn't syria.

You have the audio that will be you have the audio that will be examined matched against examined matched against databases.

Databases.

Of course, the focus on the of course, the focus on the suspect himself.

Suspect himself.

What little that we can see of what little that we can see of his face could lend itself to his face could lend itself to facial recognition, something facial recognition, something professor jane knows more about.

Professor jane knows more about.

You can see the eyes and the you can see the eyes and the bridge of theyou cannot see the bridge of theyou cannot see the eyebrows.

Eyebrows.

How much information is visible?

How much information is visible?

In face recognition problems, in face recognition problems, if you want to match the image if you want to match the image to a very large database of one to a very large database of one billion individuals, it would be billion individuals, it would be a very difficult problem.

A very difficult problem.

But if we know who the suspect but if we know who the suspect might be or the short list, then might be or the short list, then it is possible to at least rule it is possible to at least rule out some of the suspects.

Out some of the suspects.

This does contain useful amounts this does contain useful amounts of information.

Of information.

In this substance, additional in this substance, additional information about the face is information about the face is rather minimal.

Rather minimal.

As peter pointed out, sometimes as peter pointed out, sometimes the fusion of certain sources of the fusion of certain sources of information is really helpful in information is really helpful in making an idea of the suspect.

Making an idea of the suspect.

The other thing i would like to the other thing i would like to suggest is to make use of the suggest is to make use of the forensic artist to draw a forensic artist to draw a composite of the suspect.

Composite of the suspect.

The forensic artist often the forensic artist often utilizes other information about utilizes other information about the suspect for.

The suspect for.

The height, age.

The height, age.

That can render a good that can render a good impression of the face.

Impression of the face.

This could possibly hit against this could possibly hit against a database.

A database.

You can really say that much you can really say that much information in the eyes?

Information in the eyes?

Tell me more about that.

Tell me more about that.

The a's have fairly distinct the a's have fairly distinct information.

Information.

-- the eyes have a fairly -- the eyes have a fairly distinct information.

Distinct information.

With a well-known personality, with a well-known personality, it is easy to recognize.

It is easy to recognize.

The ability of recognition is by the ability of recognition is by looking at this sketch artist.

Looking at this sketch artist.

Every morning in the newspaper, every morning in the newspaper, we see a cartoon of some famous we see a cartoon of some famous personality, just a few short personality, just a few short oaks whether it is the nose or oaks whether it is the nose or the eyes, ears, this can reveal the eyes, ears, this can reveal a lot of information.

A lot of information.

-- just a few short strokes -- just a few short strokes whether it is the nose or the whether it is the nose or the eyes, ears, this can reveal a eyes, ears, this can reveal a lot of information.

Lot of information.

I've spoken with both former i've spoken with both former and current intelligence folks.

And current intelligence folks.

One thing you will not get out one thing you will not get out of this is a retinal match.

Of this is a retinal match.

It is not close enough to be it is not close enough to be able to see the retina.

Able to see the retina.

That would have been that would have been advantageous to investigators advantageous to investigators but it doesn't look like like it but it doesn't look like like it is an option.

Is an option.

That is correct.

That is correct.

We should not characterize it as we should not characterize it as the retina but rather the iris.

The retina but rather the iris.

You have to shine a bright sort you have to shine a bright sort of like.

Of like.

It is really the iris of the eye it is really the iris of the eye that is not visible.

That is not visible.

All of this identification all of this identification assumes that the suspect's assumes that the suspect's iris, voice resides in some kind iris, voice resides in some kind of database.

Of database.

If it is not in a database, if it is not in a database, then how do you find a pattern then how do you find a pattern or find a match?

Or find a match?

Technology has its limits but technology has its limits but there are so many different there are so many different avenues to pursue.

Avenues to pursue.

You mentioned from simply the you mentioned from simply the way the video was shot, whether way the video was shot, whether cell phones were turned on in cell phones were turned on in the area.

The area.

As is the kind of data that the as is the kind of data that the nsa and britain's intelligence nsa and britain's intelligence agencies collect.

Agencies collect.

Did the killer make a mistake by did the killer make a mistake by showing too much?

Showing too much?

It is very bold.

It is very bold.

They love some telltale signs.

They love some telltale signs.

What if the executioner had worn what if the executioner had worn sunglasses?

Sunglasses?

-- they left some telltale -- they left some telltale signs.

Signs.

This will be a challenge.

This will be a challenge.

The nsa, the whole surveillance the nsa, the whole surveillance question.

Question.

If they can get the date stamp if they can get the date stamp and location, then they can look and location, then they can look at the issue of what medication at the issue of what medication devices were in the area at the devices were in the area at the time.

Time.

I wonder since daniel pearl's i wonder since daniel pearl's killing in pakistan all those killing in pakistan all those years ago, there have been years ago, there have been hundreds, perhaps thousands of hundreds, perhaps thousands of people killed in this way by people killed in this way by terrorists in the middle east.

Terrorists in the middle east.

I wonder if the promulgation of i wonder if the promulgation of these videos has led to a bigger these videos has led to a bigger problem that washington realizes problem that washington realizes they will have to confront?

They will have to confront?

Certainly the killing has certainly the killing has changed the debate and change changed the debate and change the tone here in washington.

The tone here in washington.

All you had to do was watch all you had to do was watch chuck hagel talk about the chuck hagel talk about the imminent threat that isis imminent threat that isis poses to americans.

Poses to americans.

That was not language that you that was not language that you heard before the death of james heard before the death of james foley.

Foley.

The other thing i have heard the other thing i have heard from folks in the intelligence from folks in the intelligence community was that this was a community was that this was a video designed specifically for video designed specifically for the u.s. audience, the the u.s. audience, the english-speaking audience.

English-speaking audience.

That is different from a lot of that is different from a lot of these in the past.

These in the past.

Thanks to her own peter cook thanks to her own peter cook and professor jain.

And professor jain.

"bloomberg west" will be right "bloomberg west" will be right back.

Back.

As the islamic state militant as the islamic state militant group continues to wage war in group continues to wage war in northern iraq, they have been northern iraq, they have been pushing ahead with their social pushing ahead with their social media campaign.

Media campaign.

Twitter has up its efforts to twitter has up its efforts to block isis-related accounts.

Block isis-related accounts.

They said they would suspend any they said they would suspend any accounts that were associated accounts that were associated with the death.

With the death.

They have switched to diaspora?

They have switched to diaspora?

What is diaspora?

What is diaspora?

We are joined by a researcher we are joined by a researcher from the center for the analysis from the center for the analysis of social media.

Of social media.

What is diaspora and he uses it?

What is diaspora and he uses it?

-- and who uses it?

-- and who uses it?

This is a decentralized this is a decentralized network of computers.

Network of computers.

Basically, it is a kind of basically, it is a kind of untraceable social media untraceable social media network.

Network.

It is part of a larger group of it is part of a larger group of kind of services and platforms kind of services and platforms that allow people to communicate that allow people to communicate anonymously on the internet and anonymously on the internet and on the dark knight.

On the dark knight.

So, it is important that they so, it is important that they got on there.

Got on there.

It is much harder for the it is much harder for the security services to understand security services to understand what they are doing.

What they are doing.

At the same time, actually we at the same time, actually we should regard this as a kind of should regard this as a kind of a part victory.

A part victory.

When these groups are forced off when these groups are forced off of the more public platforms of the more public platforms like twitter, facebook, youtube, like twitter, facebook, youtube, so want, it reduces the contact so want, it reduces the contact they have with the public and they have with the public and therefore it reduces their therefore it reduces their propaganda reach.

Propaganda reach.

This is not a victory for them this is not a victory for them that they have been forced into that they have been forced into this network.

This network.

Having said that, whether it is having said that, whether it is through platforms like diaspora through platforms like diaspora or things like tor or virtual or things like tor or virtual private networks, it makes it private networks, it makes it much much harder for us to much much harder for us to understand and to know what they understand and to know what they are saying.

Are saying.

Collect still, we did speak with collect still, we did speak with diaspora, they did a post about diaspora, they did a post about this saying that they cannot this saying that they cannot take this because it is a take this because it is a completely decentralized completely decentralized network, there is no scheduled network, there is no scheduled server and no way for the server and no way for the project team to manipulate or project team to manipulate or remove content from a particular remove content from a particular node in the network that they node in the network that they say is what may be the reason say is what may be the reason that attracted activists to that attracted activists to their network.

Their network.

Who else is on there?

Who else is on there?

Who are they reaching, what are who are they reaching, what are other people doing and trying to other people doing and trying to do?

Do?

there is a certain culture there is a certain culture surrounding these sites, these surrounding these sites, these kind of services, that we can kind of services, that we can really briefly examine.

Really briefly examine.

On the dark net in general, on the dark net in general, there is everything from people there is everything from people and buying and selling and buying and selling drugs, child pornography.

Drugs, child pornography.

Political dissidents, especially political dissidents, especially for countries like egypt where for countries like egypt where they might be afraid to talk they might be afraid to talk openly about liberal democracy openly about liberal democracy and secular values and things and secular values and things like that.

Like that.

There is a huge range of there is a huge range of communities that use these kinds communities that use these kinds of platforms.

Of platforms.

You mentioned that it is you mentioned that it is decentralized and very difficult decentralized and very difficult for them to control.

For them to control.

That is the kreis across all of that is the kreis across all of these technologies, the virtual these technologies, the virtual private network.

Private network.

The content cannot be controlled the content cannot be controlled by google that created the by google that created the technology.

Technology.

-- cannot be controlled by the -- cannot be controlled by the people that created the people that created the technology.

Technology.

Putting in place, the content putting in place, the content cannot be controlled.

Cannot be controlled.

How many people are using how many people are using these networks, this dark net?

These networks, this dark net?

Are we talking tens of millions, are we talking tens of millions, hundreds of millions of people?

Hundreds of millions of people?

Estimating who uses the dark estimating who uses the dark net is extremely difficult.

Net is extremely difficult.

One way of looking at it is the one way of looking at it is the amount of money going through amount of money going through online drug websites which makes online drug websites which makes up a significantly large up a significantly large portion.

Portion.

We are looking at buildings and we are looking at buildings and billions of u.s. dollars moving billions of u.s. dollars moving just in cocaine alone.

Just in cocaine alone.

It is extremely difficult to it is extremely difficult to tell who is using it and where.

Tell who is using it and where.

It is significant and its use is it is significant and its use is growing in the light of the growing in the light of the revelations and increased revelations and increased concerns about cryptography in concerns about cryptography in these groups.

These groups.

Be they terrorists or be they be they terrorists or be they democratic reformers in democratic reformers in different states.

Different states.

That is the rising internet that is the rising internet underworld, fascinating.

Underworld, fascinating.

Tank you so much.

Tank you so much.

Do you have a hard time do you have a hard time distinguishing fact from fiction distinguishing fact from fiction on social media?

On social media?

Facebook will help you out by facebook will help you out by tagging some posts at satire.

Tagging some posts at satire.

Find out why.

Find out why.

This is "bloomberg west." this is "bloomberg west." a new study reveals that babies a new study reveals that babies are stupid and the world health are stupid and the world health organization has confirmed that organization has confirmed that the world death rate is 100%. the world death rate is 100%. these are not real headlines but these are not real headlines but when "the onion" posted when "the onion" posted satirical articles like this on satirical articles like this on facebook, some users got facebook, some users got confused.

Confused.

Now, they place the word satire now, they place the word satire in front of the word.

In front of the word.

What does this reveal about the what does this reveal about the way we read news on social way we read news on social media?

Media?

Joining us is cory and joshua joining us is cory and joshua benson.

Benson.

Isn't it hard of the fun of isn't it hard of the fun of satirical articles opening them satirical articles opening them and discovering that this must and discovering that this must be a joke?

Be a joke?

You know what the onion is, i you know what the onion is, i know what the onion is, not know what the onion is, not everyone knows what it is.

Everyone knows what it is.

They are trying to clear up for they are trying to clear up for those people who don't know what those people who don't know what they're getting into.

They're getting into.

The other day i noticed that the other day i noticed that there was a story on their site there was a story on their site which claimed that adam sandler which claimed that adam sandler had -- was actually some kind of had -- was actually some kind of modern-day nostradamus who had modern-day nostradamus who had predicted the disasters of the predicted the disasters of the last decade by embedding them in last decade by embedding them in his movies.

His movies.

People thought that was a real people thought that was a real phenomenon.

Phenomenon.

It is understandable that it is understandable that facebook would like to improve facebook would like to improve the experiences by letting them the experiences by letting them not look so stupid.

Not look so stupid.

No, it is not.

No, it is not.

The point of satire is to the point of satire is to separate morons and thinking separate morons and thinking people.

People.

I think that this is a horrible i think that this is a horrible thing.

Thing.

My god, labeling satire?

My god, labeling satire?

It is wrong.

It is wrong.

Why would you get it on why would you get it on facebook?

Facebook?

That is not true.

That is not true.

Google has labeled onion google has labeled onion news stories as satire for a news stories as satire for a number of years.

Number of years.

What you see is a complete loss what you see is a complete loss of context.

Of context.

You knew you were getting "new you knew you were getting "new york times" content.

York times" content.

On the web, everything is a on the web, everything is a series of url's. series of url's. your best friend's baby pictures your best friend's baby pictures are next to some terrible news are next to some terrible news in the middle east, next to a in the middle east, next to a picture of a cat.

Picture of a cat.

They need to think.

They need to think.

People need to think and say, people need to think and say, adam sandler isn't nostradamus.

Adam sandler isn't nostradamus.

Nostradamus isn't even nostradamus isn't even nostradamus.

Nostradamus.

The point of understanding the point of understanding things and putting context in things and putting context in things is what your brain and things is what your brain and education is supposed to teach education is supposed to teach you.

You.

Your experience as a human being your experience as a human being on the earth is supposed to on the earth is supposed to allow you to do.

Allow you to do.

Well, if you are feeling well, if you are feeling sorry for "the onion," they have sorry for "the onion," they have said that the key part is a said that the key part is a headline.

Headline.

They, with the headline first they, with the headline first and then they write the story and then they write the story based on that.

Based on that.

-- they write the headline first -- they write the headline first and then they write the story and then they write the story based on that.

Based on that.

As users, should we be at all as users, should we be at all concerned that facebook has the concerned that facebook has the power to do this?

Power to do this?

We have been having a discussion we have been having a discussion about facebook, twitter, youtube about facebook, twitter, youtube removing content related to removing content related to extremists.

Extremists.

Obviously, completely defers obviously, completely defers stories but it speaks to the stories but it speaks to the power -- completely different power -- completely different stories but it does speak to the stories but it does speak to the power of these websites which power of these websites which are ubiquitous.

Are ubiquitous.

There is a difference between there is a difference between being a publisher and a being a publisher and a platform.

Platform.

A lot of people in the news a lot of people in the news business would love it if business would love it if facebook was an open platform facebook was an open platform that did not interfere with that did not interfere with their content.

Their content.

You do see a real tension on the you do see a real tension on the sort of an issue.

Sort of an issue.

Twitter, facebook, and other twitter, facebook, and other social networks are trying to social networks are trying to make sure that their users have make sure that their users have a good experience.

A good experience.

If a user feels that they were if a user feels that they were not given what was expected, not given what was expected, they can move that against they can move that against facebook or twitter and use that facebook or twitter and use that as a reason to not go back.

As a reason to not go back.

The folks that are producing the the folks that are producing the content and the intermediaries content and the intermediaries want to moderate that in some want to moderate that in some sort of way.

Sort of way.

There was a moment when kim there was a moment when kim jong-un was named one of the jong-un was named one of the sexiest men alive by " the sexiest men alive by " the onion" and the communist party onion" and the communist party daily took it seriously.

Daily took it seriously.

They took it as if it was they took it as if it was serious including the wonderful serious including the wonderful liesnes.

Liesnes.

" with his handsomely round " with his handsomely round face, his strong sturdy frame, face, his strong sturdy frame, he is a heartthrob.:" he is a heartthrob.:" people that don't get satire is people that don't get satire is one of the great joys of satire.

One of the great joys of satire.

Here is my real hope.

Here is my real hope.

Facebook is doing this as satire facebook is doing this as satire for people that don't get satire for people that don't get satire . . facebook is saying that this facebook is saying that this is a small test.

Is a small test.

If this was april 1, we would if this was april 1, we would not believe it.

Not believe it.

Cory johnson and joshua cory johnson and joshua benson, thank you both.

Benson, thank you both.

More "bloomberg west" after this more "bloomberg west" after this break.

Break.

We will be talking about burning we will be talking about burning man.

Man.

? ? you are watching "bloomberg you are watching "bloomberg west" where we focus on west" where we focus on innovation, technology, and the innovation, technology, and the future of business.

Future of business.

The annual burning man gathering the annual burning man gathering has become a must attend for has become a must attend for many in the tech community, even many in the tech community, even attracting big names like larry attracting big names like larry page, elon musk, mark page, elon musk, mark zuckerberg.

Zuckerberg.

The tech community has brought the tech community has brought its tech dollars for things like its tech dollars for things like private jets, air conditioned private jets, air conditioned yurts, even world class chefs/ yurts, even world class chefs/ is this changing the burning man is this changing the burning man experience for better or for experience for better or for worse?

Worse?

We are joined by our guest who we are joined by our guest who has attended the event for the has attended the event for the last 20 years.

Last 20 years.

As someone who has been to as someone who has been to burning man for two decades, for burning man for two decades, for those that aren't burners, what those that aren't burners, what is so special about it?

Is so special about it?

It is a place where you it is a place where you generally tend to meet people generally tend to meet people celebrating creativity, feeling celebrating creativity, feeling good about themselves, feeling good about themselves, feeling free to express themselves in free to express themselves in ways that maybe they are not ways that maybe they are not free to express themselves in free to express themselves in day-to-day life.

Day-to-day life.

It is a place or everyone is it is a place or everyone is really happy and everyone is really happy and everyone is amazed because most people amazed because most people around them are building amazing around them are building amazing pieces of sculpture or fire art pieces of sculpture or fire art of a sort that you probably of a sort that you probably would never see in any museum, would never see in any museum, are dressed in a particularly are dressed in a particularly flashy or colorful way.

Flashy or colorful way.

It is a place where people are it is a place where people are having fun and feeling free and having fun and feeling free and it is a great vidbe.

It is a great vidbe.

People are willing to pay a lot people are willing to pay a lot to go and to put themselves to a to go and to put themselves to a lot of trouble to go.

Lot of trouble to go.

It is in an alkali salt flat it is in an alkali salt flat where the temperature can easily where the temperature can easily get over 100 during the day and get over 100 during the day and easily get below freezing.

Easily get below freezing.

These wind gust storms are very these wind gust storms are very common that might knock down common that might knock down every shelter you build.

Every shelter you build.

People feel very attached to it people feel very attached to it because they struggle to be because they struggle to be there.

There.

That is why the tech thing that is why the tech thing bothers some people.

Bothers some people.

If you helicopter yourself into if you helicopter yourself into mount everest, have you been to mount everest, have you been to mount everest?

Mount everest?

If you're not suffering at if you're not suffering at burning man, you might not be burning man, you might not be doing it right.

Doing it right.

I thought it jumped the shark i thought it jumped the shark 10 years ago.

10 years ago.

The editor was flying at -- the the editor was flying at -- the editor of "time post code editor of "time post code magazine flew out.

Magazine flew out.

-- the editor of "time" magazine -- the editor of "time" magazine flew out.

Flew out.

I know all of the people that i know all of the people that are at this thing.

Are at this thing.

I don't get the connection i don't get the connection between technology people and between technology people and burning man.

Burning man.

It is not just the tech workers, it is not just the tech workers, it is the ceo's. it is the ceo's. this has been going on since this has been going on since 16996. 16996. back when it only had 4000 back when it only had 4000 people, "wired" put it on the people, "wired" put it on the cover.

Cover.

Burning man evolved in san burning man evolved in san francisco before it went to francisco before it went to nevada.

Nevada.

People are into weird, colorful people are into weird, colorful underground art and expression.

Underground art and expression.

The tech people caught on to it the tech people caught on to it early.

Early.

A lot of them got superrich a lot of them got superrich between 1996 and now.

Between 1996 and now.

They are roughing it but they're they are roughing it but they're still there, contributing, still there, contributing, helping to fund some of the helping to fund some of the amazing art.

Amazing art.

If you are a burner who feels if you are a burner who feels like your neighborhood like your neighborhood has been gentrified and you has been gentrified and you don't like it, that should not don't like it, that should not ruin your ability to appreciate ruin your ability to appreciate the event which to me is a great the event which to me is a great as it ever was.

As it ever was.

An interesting piece about a an interesting piece about a line being drawn in the sand line being drawn in the sand between the tech elite and between the tech elite and everyone else.

Everyone else.

Does it feel that way?

Does it feel that way?

Does it feel like there is a does it feel like there is a division?

Division?

If you're just someone who if you're just someone who bought a ticket and you're bought a ticket and you're there, you would not have any there, you would not have any way of knowing that anyone you way of knowing that anyone you see is a tech billionaire.

See is a tech billionaire.

There is a wall of rv's. there is a wall of rv's. it is not a very inviting.

It is not a very inviting.

To me, the average person would to me, the average person would have no reason to even now that have no reason to even now that there is tons of tech money there is tons of tech money there except when they're are there except when they're are seen the cool things that the seen the cool things that the tech money funds.

Tech money funds.

Are people upset about it?

Are people upset about it?

I think they are more set i think they are more set about it because they read about about it because they read about it.

It.

a lot of people have this idea a lot of people have this idea that it should be a challenging that it should be a challenging experience, it should test you.

Experience, it should test you.

You should be self-reliant you should be self-reliant instead of spending money to instead of spending money to have people take care of you.

Have people take care of you.

I really i really don't see why you think don't see why you think that the way other people choose that the way other people choose . . that is your own bad attitude, i that is your own bad attitude, i would say.

Would say.

There don't is no more illegal drug there don't is no more illegal drug use out there than anywhere use out there than anywhere else.

Else.

It is sort of like electronic it is sort of like electronic dance music culture in a sense.

Dance music culture in a sense.

I would say your psychedelics i would say your psychedelics are probably being used out are probably being used out there at a higher percentage there at a higher percentage than the average seen.

Than the average seen.

But how important is that to the but how important is that to the experience of burning man for experience of burning man for most people?

Most people?

-- -- how important is that to the how important is that to the experience of burning man for experience of burning man for most people?

Most people?

There is no way of knowing.

There is no way of knowing.

There is a vibe that feels there is a vibe that feels druggy.

Druggy.

It is a happy place.

It is a happy place.

Nobody knows your answer to the nobody knows your answer to the question is the answer.

Question is the answer.

One of the things you mention one of the things you mention is that the tech community is is that the tech community is helping to fund things like the helping to fund things like the artwork.

Artwork.

How it involved are some how it involved are some of these ceos to contributing of these ceos to contributing and trying to make it better and and trying to make it better and ensure its longevity?

Ensure its longevity?

One thing the google people one thing the google people did was contributed a ton of did was contributed a ton of free community bikes.

Free community bikes.

They are supposed to be a giant they are supposed to be a giant mobile glowing brain with mobile glowing brain with neurons flashing.

Neurons flashing.

A mobile tesla coil.

A mobile tesla coil.

A dance dome in motion.

A dance dome in motion.

In the age of kick starter, the in the age of kick starter, the minions of the tech world.

Minions of the tech world.

They get to fund things in a they get to fund things in a less coordinated way.

Less coordinated way.

Lots of little bits of tech lots of little bits of tech money make everything possible.

Money make everything possible.

Most of the art is self funded most of the art is self funded by the people that make it.

By the people that make it.

Some of it is incredibly some of it is incredibly elaborate, some of it costs in elaborate, some of it costs in the high six or even seven the high six or even seven figures.

Figures.

A burning man without the money a burning man without the money would be far less interesting would be far less interesting and less colorful.

And less colorful.

Summoning people talk about summoning people talk about the art so much.

The art so much.

As you go around the bay area.

As you go around the bay area.

-- so many people talk about the -- so many people talk about the art so much.

Art so much.

People talk about the people talk about the experience and the feeling, the experience and the feeling, the reflection.

Reflection.

Well, let's go.

Well, let's go.

If i can stay in if i can stay in air-conditioned yurt.

Air-conditioned yurt.

Brian doherty, author of the brian doherty, author of the book "this is burning man." book "this is burning man." thank you so much, have a great thank you so much, have a great time.

Time.

You have heard about outsourcing you have heard about outsourcing but what about the impact but what about the impact sourcing.

Sourcing.

Find out how the tech areas are find out how the tech areas are expanding the digital economy to expanding the digital economy to some of the most impoverished some of the most impoverished areas in the world.

Areas in the world.

I am emily chang and this is i am emily chang and this is "bloomberg west" on bloom "bloomberg west" on bloom bloomberg television, streaming bloomberg television, streaming online and on your phone and online and on your phone and tablet.

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Impact sourcing is different impact sourcing is different from outsourcing.

From outsourcing.

Impact sourcing is a unique impact sourcing is a unique model that brings tech jobs to model that brings tech jobs to women and used to impoverished women and used to impoverished communities around the world.

Communities around the world.

Cory johnson is back with more.

Cory johnson is back with more.

Micro work, they call it.

Micro work, they call it.

It started in 2008. it started in 2008. some of the biggest tech some of the biggest tech companies in the world are using companies in the world are using this.

This.

The founder and ceo joins us the founder and ceo joins us right now.

Right now.

First of all, the name, what first of all, the name, what does that mean?

Does that mean?

It means equal in sanskrit.

It means equal in sanskrit.

I love this idea.

I love this idea.

Talk to us about how it works.

Talk to us about how it works.

We believe that talent is we believe that talent is evenly distributed around the evenly distributed around the world but opportunity is not.

World but opportunity is not.

Globally there is a shortfall of globally there is a shortfall of 1.8 billion jobs.

1.8 billion jobs.

There is a huge need for jobs in there is a huge need for jobs in developing countries.

Developing countries.

We break down big technology we break down big technology projects from companies like projects from companies like candy images into really small candy images into really small units of work and then we train units of work and then we train to go on the other and to do to go on the other and to do things like image tagging.

Things like image tagging.

You find the projects and you you find the projects and you try to figure out who the try to figure out who the partners might be.

Partners might be.

Their training of the workers, their training of the workers, tell me how that works and how tell me how that works and how labor-intensive that is.

Labor-intensive that is.

You would be surprised.

You would be surprised.

Young people in places like young people in places like kenya and uganda where we have kenya and uganda where we have over 800 workers are able to do over 800 workers are able to do things like image tagging things like image tagging relatively easily.

Relatively easily.

Our work involves simple things our work involves simple things like lets us know which like lets us know which celebrity is in an image.

Celebrity is in an image.

For someone in uganda, this is for someone in uganda, this is the best kind of work to do.

The best kind of work to do.

We have had a lot of success we have had a lot of success training people from local high training people from local high schools and universities.

Schools and universities.

We talked about endlessly we talked about endlessly about unemployment, will it be about unemployment, will it be at six percent or six point at six percent or six point three percent.

Three percent.

What kind of statistics are we what kind of statistics are we talking about in africa?

Talking about in africa?

Extremely high rates of extremely high rates of unemployment, up to 60-80% where unemployment, up to 60-80% where we work.

We work.

And people don't understand that and people don't understand that that is one of the key drivers that is one of the key drivers of terrorism in the region.

Of terrorism in the region.

It seems like an impossible it seems like an impossible thing to get around if you are thing to get around if you are so surrounded by this.

So surrounded by this.

How could you ever overcome it how could you ever overcome it with out an opportunity?

With out an opportunity?

There are actually a lot of there are actually a lot of talented graduates and employing talented graduates and employing them through the internet is them through the internet is much easier than employing them much easier than employing them through traditional means.

Through traditional means.

To build the factory in a to build the factory in a location like uganda would be location like uganda would be difficult.

Difficult.

You can find an internet center you can find an internet center inside of shipping containers.

We get a lot -- we get over a lot of the infrastructure hurdles.

What kind of jobs do you see?

Globally, online work is a fast-growing industry.

It is expected to hit about $5 billion from 2018. we are doing image tagging, we write content for websites.

Give me some examples of another.

We are helping them tag a massive celebrity image database.

They need to assign labels for these images so that when you are a reporter, you can easily access it.

I would not think that i would go to uganda to find people that know kim kardashian.

It was scary.

We have youth tagging pictures of rihanna.

People are furthering themselves by identifying these things?

This is enormous.

In these regions the property rates are extremely high.

The average income is between two dollars and three dollars a day.

All workers employed over 6000 people around the world and they are able to double their incomes in three months.

What we see is that after they do this work, they tend to stay out of power.

Really fascinating stuff.

Thank you.

Great to see you.

Coming up next, move over kim kardashian, another celebrity is out with an app that is tearing up the charts.

We explain how tom hanks is getting into the app world.

? welcome back to "bloomberg west." when you type on your ipad, do you ever feel nostalgic for the simple days of typewriters or d just missed the sound that a typewriter makes?

Now, there is an app for that.

The free app has shot to the top of the apple itunes charts.

Joining me is the head of the company that helped tom hank develop this app.

You personally worked with him?

We had a team of 20 people.

They were all passionate about it.

It was exciting to be on the phone with tom hanks and hear his input.

What did he want, what did he say?

He wanted something to give to his fans that love typewriters.

He wanted to bring back the sound of creativity.

It wasn't just about typing on your phone and hearing the click but hearing the symphony of the typewriters in the past and bring them to life.

That is quite a metaphor.

He himself is a typewriter enthusiasts.

That sounds like a lot.

It seems so simple.

What were all of these 20 people doing?

You have the people that designed it and this sort of 3-d modeling and you have those that bring it to life through animation.

You have the programming people, the testing, the copy.

It is a fun process.

We have seen kim kardashian app become a big hit.

I celebrity sponsored apps the next big thing?

We work closely with a lot of celebrities and we are trying to get that space we get to social and viral success.

Sort of a fun way to bring an app to the public.

How long have you been working on this?

Normal projects are about six months, give or take a little bit.

So, your office is located in l.a. any other celebrities you would like to work with or are working with?

Is a big list.

The way they work in hollywood, you can talk about it.

A lot of celebrities are currently working on it.

Any hints?

That is monday's segment.

What do see in terms of trends in terms of creating apps and making hits?

It is surprising to me that an app that is so simple like this could be a big hit.

You have 9 million developers.

They are all trying to find their little space.

We just felt the passion is and he has as an artist like tom hanks is how do we find his passion and bring it to the app store and use his social awareness to show everybody how it works and get their input?

There have been a tremendous point of gratitude from his fans.

Will he remain involved?

Yes, i think -- i did not -- he did not say this, i only read this, that he has over 200 typewriters.

I think he is pretty passionate about us may be doing an update.

What about for the iphone?

That is a good question.

You think if i could get a dollar for everybody that asked that.

You think about the size of an ipad compared to an iphone.

We have to see if we can work it out.

Talking about a new app sponsored by tom hanks.

It is time for the bwest byte where we focus on one number that tells a whole lot.

It had better be good.

I don't know.

How about this, 8? i am sending an e-mail.

Well, the average american attention span last year was eight seconds.

In 2000, it was 12 seconds.

That puts the average american in second place behind old fish.

Goldfish have the attention span of nine seconds.

If people can think about something for 12 seconds, maybe they realize it is a joke, eight seconds, they don't get it.

You would have to wonder how much smartphones and ipads have had to do with this.

Obviously, it enables our attention spans to be shorter.

Well, it is a serious issue.

I was reading a study today that talked about how short attention spans lead to poor ability to read and even see things as well.

This leads to a dumber populous.

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