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Oct. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Bill Rhodes, president and CEO of William Rhodes Global Advisors, discusses the aftermath of the U.S. government shutdown with Adam Johnson on Bloomberg Television's "Bottom Line." (Source: Bloomberg)

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Back to you.

Thank you.

Let's look at how the business community is saying about the shutdown in washington.

Bill rhodes is a president and ceo of william r rhodes global.

He is author of the book "banker to the world." inc.

You for being here.

Is a pleasure to be here.

This is some kind of budget proposal, how will they do that?

You have ryan and patty murray, the ones that are supposed to be working on this.

I think what will drive them is the subtlest ration second round comes through in january.

Nobody wants to see that implemented, either republicans or democrats.

They will work hard to try to get something.

If and when they do, it will not be any grand bargain, that is for sure.

That is what we need, entitlement reform.

The congressional budget office says social security runs out of money by 2024 and medicare by 2037. everyone seems to acknowledge this is the case.

You have a problem in the sense that the republican party is divided, as you know, in certain areas.

A lot people feel the president needs to exert more leadership.

Hopefully, what we just went through is scaring the people in washington sufficiently to get them down into business because certainly it has created a very bad image of the u.s. abroad.

President obama, 11 hours after he effectively sign this deal, he accused republicans of brinksmanship.

I i don't think anyone would disagree but that is the tack you want to take?

You have to have better communication between the white house and the republicans.

I think that aynor is willing, mcconnell showed he is willing to do something.

-- i think that john boehner is willing, mcconnell showed he is willing to do something.

This leads to the so-called grand bargain.

We certainly do.

We could not get simpson-bowles down.

If we don't get a grand bargain, will we get a piece of a bargain?

Will go back to something like this again.

We will be talking a lot more about that.

The world's second-largest economy is growing and with that comes challenges.

Bill rhodes sits with us for a closer look.

Welcome back.

This is "bottom line" on bloomberg television, and streaming on your tablet, your phone.

We are joined by bill rhodes.

You recently met with the head of the vehicles people's bank of china.

Lex china is in an effort to open up its financial system.

-- china is an effort to open up its financial system.

They will have a meeting to decide what they are going to do over this decade with ceasing paying -- with the new president and premier.

It will be a crucial meeting.

They have already started to work on interest rates on the lending side and they will be working on the other side.

They are going to move into a free-trade zone which will be elaborate.

This is like moving on the rmb.

They have already approved it.

This is going to be very important.

This is like a tectonic shift.

People don't appreciate what a difference this is, china is opening in a way that we did not think was possible.

One of the reasons they are opening is that the model that was announced by the leadership back in 1992 is now sort of somewhat obsolete.

That was a model which was to expand investment, expand exports and they have sort of run the course on that.

They have to now open up and move big time into consumer consumption, domestic consumption.

In other words the transition to an infrastructure or a middle class-driven economy.

The consumption will be key.

They have to work on the social safety net, which needs work to be done.

The average consumer saves less, spends more, and we had this meeting last month.

They mentioned that they will put in deposit insurance which will give more reassurance to the consumer to buy.

This will be the driver in china.

You asked me what are the roadblocks.

The banks lent very heavily to get out of 2008-2009. you still have high credit growth.

One of the things china has to be careful about, the regulators, leadership, is that the the banking system remains safe and sound in the sense that they watch out for the nonperforming loans.

That is the key lease feel that they have to work on.

There is no doubt that this leadership is going to open up the economy, which the last leadership talked about but didn't do.

You have a 7.80 gdp, this is kind of a goldilocks number.

This might be what they want.

They will not be able to do this consistently.

Anything over seven percent is what their goal is.

People asked me, where did this come from.

This was the figure of the great economist and got them into the wto.

He talked about seven percent growth to keep any possible social problems under control.

They create the jobs for the people coming in from western china to the coast.

Somewhere over the next couple of years, somewhere between seven percent and 7.5% growth.

When you look at our economy, the european economy, that rate of growth is pretty good.

Inflation in china?

It has been a problem since as you know.

It is not appear to be too much of a problem.

The area they have to watch is food.

The other is pollution and corruption.

These are two areas where the chinese people have tremendous concerns.

Bo xilai.

An appeal.

I know that you are interested to talk to the central bank governor of japan.

What did he tell you?

What they have a policy which is the policy of economics.

-- they have the policy which is the policy of economics.

It is three arrows.

The first is to have fiscal stimulus, which they have done.

I think they will do more.

The second is the one getting most attention which is monetary giving us.

What will make or break it is structural reform and deregulation.

We have not seen much of that.

They have to move on to that.

Like really making an effort on the transpacific partnership, reforming the labor code, things like that.

If they don't do that, the fiscal and monetary stimulus will not get them out of the problem they have had which is almost two decades of stagnation.

We are running out of time.

Europe, out of the woods, yes or no?

It is not clear.

In the second quarter they showed growth.

Some of these countries appear to be going from a situation where they were in recession to where they will move into stagnation.

You still have major reforms.

The unemployment rates are horrendous in places like spain, greece, portugal.

They are still growing in places like france and italy.

They still have a ways to go.

They still do.

What a pleasure to have you.

It is not often that we get the chance to speak to a man that has spoken to central bankers around the road, all within the past few weeks.

Thank you so much.

Great to be here.

United auto workers has been driving a hard bargain.

We uncover the reason behind it.

? the trust responsible for paying the health care cost of union retirees of chrysler faces a $3 billion unfunded obligation.

This is pushing the company potentially to go public.

20 knots is jamie butters a bloomberg news.

-- joining us is jamie butters of bloomberg news.

Tell us how these are structured in the first place.

This is an unusual situation.

Detroit automakers have been building up these liabilities from contracts that they made in the 50's am a 60's, 80's. they have started to add up on them.

The uaw in their negotiations agreed to take on the liabilities for retirees, the future health-care care costs.

They got a bunch of money, some stocks and things, but mostly cash from the company to try to fund this and set it up so that they could invest it and pay for a retirees health care in the future.

Part of that was to make the automakers healthier.

They could get those liabilities off of their balance sheet.

Even if they got less of a perfect deal, they'll these protected themselves in case there would be a bankruptcy, which of course there was were chrysler and gm.

It puts them in a difficult spot because it is very hard to pay for health care going forward.

There are costs everywhere.

We start off talking about chrysler.

It looks like gm has an even larger shortfall.

Can you tell us about that?

G.m. is so much bigger as a company than chrysler and they have so many more retirees.

They have four times as many people in their system.

That fund, they have about $30 billion worth of assets and a projected $45 billion worth of liabilities.

They are hugely underwater.

That is a real burden for the uaw, this trust that manages health care.

They will have to make up that difference through demanding more money, to pay for the health care, or giving them less benefits.

There is some hope.

If the health care inflation reduces, maybe obamacare can slow things down enough.

Maybe they can even that back out.

They certainly will.

We will see what happens with that chrysler ipo.

Jamie butters joining us from the detroit office.

Thank you for your hard work.

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